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  • #9205
    simplex
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      Hi @blueface!

      Thank you for your request!

      I want to aks if you can add a pop alert,when TF1 and TF 5 , and TF 15 channel first touch together

      At the moment, I am fully occupied by making my integrated CIX indicator work properly. See here.

      I decided to postpone working on this one for reasons I described in my latest post: http://penguintraders.com/forums/topic/true-barscandles-and-market-sentiment/page/2/#post-8938 Maybe somebody else could join in by coding.

      I like the ideas G. is posting in this thread very much, and my fingers are itching in order to type some code to bring this to life. But sorry for now: I have to focus my efforts. I will watch with interest and contribute when my schedule allows.

      Maybe somebody else could join and post a modificaton?

      Best, s.

      A good trader is a realist who wants to grab a chunk from the body of a trend, leaving top- and bottom-fishing to people on an ego trip. (Dr. Alexander Elder)

      #9206
      gg53
      Participant

        This ForexGT_Activity is your own development? Would share how it works/what the principle is?

        You can use Gadi_OBV from “Killing Zone” @FF.

        ForexGT_Activity is more advanced version, currently not shared.

         

        G.

         

        #9207
        gg53
        Participant

          We need to “see” the Volume/Range relationship in order to predict future move of the range. G.

          Just thinking aloud here – re; volume/range relationship, after a large move say on news a bit like the 60% retracement we have been talking about on the VIDEO thread, the water will settle down and so using the volume/range relationship equation it should give us predictive qualitites as to where the price will go Pip

          News/Announcement trading (the 60% “Law”) is a special and separate issue, but it uses the same underlying physics.

          You can consider the News/Announcements as a sudden water flood (caused by excess water, i.e. increased Volume) followed by fast retracement as water rapidly resides (Volume returns to normal flow).

           

          G.

          #9208
          smallcat
          Participant

            News/Announcement trading (the 60% “Law”) is a special and separate issue. G.

            Thanks a lot G. From your posts, the pieces of the puzzle can be collected. Soon we will see the light …  :good:

            If you have time, please create a thread about news trading in the future. What tactic can be use to trade during high impact news …

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            #9210
            smallcat
            Participant
              You can consider the News/Announcements as a sudden water flood (caused by excess water, i.e. increased Volume) followed by fast retracement as water rapidly resides (Volume returns to normal flow). G.
              So you trade counter trend, trading near tge end of the big move (near swing point after big move)?
              #9212
              gg53
              Participant

                News/Announcement trading (the 60% “Law”) is a special and separate issue. G.

                Thanks a lot G. From your posts, the pieces of the puzzle can be collected. Soon we will see the light … :good: If you have time, please create a thread about news trading in the future. What tactic can be use to trade during high impact news …

                News/Announcements trading (the 60% Law) is currently in the GREAT pipatronic “VIDEO” thread.

                It started as pip remark there, but certainly deserve a thread of its own. There you have both live predictions and their results.

                 

                G.

                #9213
                Anti
                Participant

                  Gr8

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                  #9215
                  pipatronic
                  Participant

                    video 44 water car analogy – no sonar view just a slant on volume rise, fall and normal “state” ?

                    Link to VIDEO thread, dont want to clutter it up here

                    http://penguintraders.com/forums/topic/video/page/11/#post-9214

                    skype : pipatronic

                    #9219
                    Anti
                    Participant

                      double post due to some reasons – ignore this.

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                      #9220
                      Anti
                      Participant

                        As I’m not sure about that channel’s view concept here comes my interpretation.

                        Consider the image below with M1, M5, M15, M30 and M60 channels.

                        As you can see, at the moment we’re in a strong down trend as the M1 channel (high – low of last bar) is on the bottom of all higher time frames considered. This may have happened due to an increased interest in USD.

                        What else can I conclude from it? What should I expect to see when current forces decrease? An arrangement of all time frame channels to the horizontal center of the highest time frame box? Can I assume a move towards this direction when all the lower time frame channels move towards this center? When exactly?

                        Thanks in advance!

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                        #9224
                        gg53
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                          As I’m not sure about that channel’s view concept here comes my interpretation. Consider the image below with M1, M5, M15, M30 and M60 channels. As you can see, at the moment we’re in a strong down trend as the M1 channel (high – low of last bar) is on the bottom of all higher time frames considered. This may have happened due to an increased interest in USD. What else can I conclude from it? What should I expect to see when current forces decrease? An arrangement of all time frame channels to the horizontal center of the highest time frame box? Can I assume a move towards this direction when all the lower time frame channels move towards this center? When exactly? Thanks in advance!

                          You are engulfing the same bar. M30 should extend out to the righ, etc.

                          But you can still conclude: Sentiment is clearly down, but if retracement occur (up Volume increase) – it will retrace to the M5, and then to the M15/M30.

                          To overcome the M15/M30 to the upside it will require massive volume since its double height at the same level.

                           

                          G.

                          #9225
                          gg53
                          Participant
                            You can consider the News/Announcements as a sudden water flood (caused by excess water, i.e. increased Volume) followed by fast retracement as water rapidly resides (Volume returns to normal flow). G.
                            So you trade counter trend, trading near tge end of the big move (near swing point after big move)?

                            I trade both before and after News/Announcements, but those are different strategies.

                            What is presented in pipatronic VIDEO thread is the 60% “Law” after the news. It’s more relaxed trading and fits almost any trader style and experience level.

                            And yes, it’s a retracement trade.

                             

                            G.

                            #9226
                            pipatronic
                            Participant

                              As I’m not sure about that channel’s view concept here comes my interpretation. Consider the image below with M1, M5, M15, M30 and M60 channels. As you can see, at the moment we’re in a strong down trend as the M1 channel (high – low of last bar) is on the bottom of all higher time frames considered. This may have happened due to an increased interest in USD. What else can I conclude from it? What should I expect to see when current forces decrease? An arrangement of all time frame channels to the horizontal center of the highest time frame box? Can I assume a move towards this direction when all the lower time frame channels move towards this center? When exactly? Thanks in advance!

                              You are engulfing the same bar. M30 should extend out to the righ, etc. But you can still conclude: Sentiment is clearly down, but if retracement occur (up Volume increase) – it will retrace to the M5, and then to the M15/M30. To overcome the M15/M30 to the upside it will require massive volume since its double height at the same level. G.

                              Is anyone able to make an indi to extend the time frames to the right or does one already exist ??, beyond my capabilities :-(  

                              Would be a neat and compact way to go instead of having multiple time frames (charts) up plus quick and easy to read.

                              Pip

                              skype : pipatronic

                              #9228
                              gg53
                              Participant

                                As I’m not sure about that channel’s view concept here comes my interpretation. Consider the image below with M1, M5, M15, M30 and M60 channels. As you can see, at the moment we’re in a strong down trend as the M1 channel (high – low of last bar) is on the bottom of all higher time frames considered. This may have happened due to an increased interest in USD. What else can I conclude from it? What should I expect to see when current forces decrease? An arrangement of all time frame channels to the horizontal center of the highest time frame box? Can I assume a move towards this direction when all the lower time frame channels move towards this center? When exactly? Thanks in advance!

                                You are engulfing the same bar. M30 should extend out to the righ, etc. But you can still conclude: Sentiment is clearly down, but if retracement occur (up Volume increase) – it will retrace to the M5, and then to the M15/M30. To overcome the M15/M30 to the upside it will require massive volume since its double height at the same level. G.

                                Is anyone able to make an indi to extend the time frames to the right or does one already exist ??, beyond my capabilities :-( Would be a neat and compact way to go instead of having multiple time frames (charts) up plus quick and easy to read. Pip

                                To extend indicator you need to set the SHIFT parameter with minus sign (i.e. -1, -2, etc.).

                                Look at the std. indicators source, such as Alligator or Ichimoku.

                                Anothe method is to create the channels, one within the other, but each channel should be drawn only when it is closed.

                                 

                                G.

                                 

                                #9229
                                pipatronic
                                Participant

                                  Excellant thank you G

                                  Homework set :good:

                                  Have a good day all

                                  Pip

                                   

                                  skype : pipatronic

                                  #9230
                                  smallcat
                                  Participant

                                    To the RIGHT of H1 bar, opened @08:00 (current time is 08:55): Bar +1: 1 M30 bar, closed @08:30, 1 M15 bar closed @08:15, 1 M15 bar closed @08:30, 6 M5 bars closed @08:30 (6 intervals of 5 minutes) (stacked on the same bar – each in different color) …..

                                    Hi G,
                                    One question about this. So it will be 9 rectangles (1 + 2 + 6) inside next H1 bar, with the max/min value ?
                                    If we just take max/min of each TF, it will be only 3 rectangles, but they are overlapping each other …
                                    Any hint ?
                                    Thanks in advance.

                                    #9231
                                    gg53
                                    Participant

                                      As I’m not sure about that channel’s view concept here comes my interpretation. Consider the image below with M1, M5, M15, M30 and M60 channels. As you can see, at the moment we’re in a strong down trend as the M1 channel (high – low of last bar) is on the bottom of all higher time frames considered. This may have happened due to an increased interest in USD. What else can I conclude from it? What should I expect to see when current forces decrease? An arrangement of all time frame channels to the horizontal center of the highest time frame box? Can I assume a move towards this direction when all the lower time frame channels move towards this center? When exactly? Thanks in advance!

                                      You are engulfing the same bar. M30 should extend out to the righ, etc. But you can still conclude: Sentiment is clearly down, but if retracement occur (up Volume increase) – it will retrace to the M5, and then to the M15/M30. To overcome the M15/M30 to the upside it will require massive volume since its double height at the same level. G.

                                      Here comes the MASSIVE volume….

                                       

                                      G.

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                                      #9233
                                      gg53
                                      Participant

                                        To the RIGHT of H1 bar, opened @08:00 (current time is 08:55): Bar +1: 1 M30 bar, closed @08:30, 1 M15 bar closed @08:15, 1 M15 bar closed @08:30, 6 M5 bars closed @08:30 (6 intervals of 5 minutes) (stacked on the same bar – each in different color) …..

                                        Hi G, One question about this. So it will be 9 rectangles (1 + 2 + 6) inside next H1 bar, with the max/min value ? If we just take max/min of each TF, it will be only 3 rectangles, but they are overlapping each other … Any hint ? Thanks in advance.

                                        I don’t understand your question.

                                        You should see (in the H1 example) M1, M5, M15, M30 & H1 channels.

                                        A channel is based on each High/Low of the relevant TF.

                                        Rough sketch attached. It shouldn’t be rectangles, but for illustration only.

                                         

                                        G.

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                                        #9235
                                        Anti
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                                          As I’m not sure about that channel’s view concept here comes my interpretation. Consider the image below with M1, M5, M15, M30 and M60 channels. As you can see, at the moment we’re in a strong down trend as the M1 channel (high – low of last bar) is on the bottom of all higher time frames considered. This may have happened due to an increased interest in USD. What else can I conclude from it? What should I expect to see when current forces decrease? An arrangement of all time frame channels to the horizontal center of the highest time frame box? Can I assume a move towards this direction when all the lower time frame channels move towards this center? When exactly? Thanks in advance!

                                          You are engulfing the same bar. M30 should extend out to the righ, etc. But you can still conclude: Sentiment is clearly down, but if retracement occur (up Volume increase) – it will retrace to the M5, and then to the M15/M30. To overcome the M15/M30 to the upside it will require massive volume since its double height at the same level. G.

                                          Here comes the MASSIVE volume…. G.

                                           

                                          Yes, in fact … easy money.

                                          #9236
                                          pipatronic
                                          Participant

                                            RE 9231 volume

                                            Look at the OBV and Diff (blue and green diverging) and note the time (London open)

                                            Pip

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                                            #9238
                                            gg53
                                            Participant

                                              To make this example a practical one:

                                              You saw from above posts that the M15/M30 channels define a strong level, you can go from H1 chart to the M15 and wait for an entry signal if Volume exceed avg.

                                              This is a pre-signal of “river flood”…

                                              Here is the outcome, with minimal DD and fast reward.

                                               

                                              G.

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                                              #9240
                                              Anti
                                              Participant

                                                Why would you have choosen the entry where you did? The volume exceeds average also some candles before (although the overall tick volume is much lower).

                                                #9241
                                                pipatronic
                                                Participant

                                                  To make this example a practical one: You saw from above posts that the M15/M30 channels define a strong level, you can go from H1 chart to the M15 and wait for an entry signal if Volume exceed avg. This is a pre-signal of “river flood”… Here is the outcome, with minimal DD and fast reward. G.

                                                  Interesting how the volume bar before (7;00 M15) was high and looks as though there was some selling there before it headed north

                                                  Pip

                                                  skype : pipatronic

                                                  #9242
                                                  gg53
                                                  Participant

                                                    Why would you have choosen the entry where you did? The volume exceeds average also some candles before (although the overall tick volume is much lower).

                                                    Because of the channel level, when channel broke with Volume.

                                                    BTW: the entry is when Volume broke the avg., and not on bar close.

                                                     

                                                    G.

                                                    #9243
                                                    Anti
                                                    Participant

                                                      Well, thank you!

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