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I don’t know Savero if your thought are completely right, I mean what’s the advantage for FF in trashing big thread with a lot of users actively partecipating ?
Remember that ForexFactory gains from commercial advisor (mostly broker) , and brokers have all the interest to suck in new client/keep his actual client, they are very very happy if stay for the long run so that they can earn big $$ from spread/commission/etc…Maybe (i’m just guessing here) there’s only tecnhical reason behind this choice to remove big thread, something like they cannot handle the loadup traffic generated and prefer to simply trash the whole thread or they started to receive so many reports from other users that automatically trash the thread and ban thread started, or maybe they got evidence that thread starter is preparing to move commercial outside FF bringing clients to his paid site/newsletter/whatever and they don’t want this to happens.
Honestly i cannot think for a second that FF is trashing threads because ‘could’ have some evidence of profitability for users , it makes no sense at all.
Moreover, from what we saw actually the only one very profitable in using TZ concept is Fx-Jay (but we need some real evidence apart some nice screenshot that could be easily faked or from a demo account) , maybe there are few others profitable using TZ but for sure the majority aren’t profitable using TZ (including me of course).This isn’t a criticism to TZ, of course I think there’s sound mathematical reason about the whole TZ concepts otherwise I won’t be here, but at this stage I still have to understand how to properly use these concepts in live trading, maybe with your help I can find how ;)
Just my 0.02 pips :)
Regards,
SkylineDo a “WhoIs” quick search on “forexfactory.com”:
Owners are hidden behind:
Registrant Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLCMakes you think…
G.
Do a “WhoIs” quick search on “forexfactory.com”:
Owners are hidden behind:
Registrant Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLCMakes you think…
G.
I would had done the same if I had to run a business over internet involving big money to protect myself, don’t you ?
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Do a “WhoIs” quick search on “forexfactory.com”:
Owners are hidden behind:
Registrant Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLCMakes you think…
G.
I would had done the same if I had to run a business over internet involving big money to protect myself, don’t you ?
No. If I knew this info before I joinen FF – I wouldn’t register.
Every decent operation has a name and address.
Big money:
Registrant Organization: Apple Inc.
Registrant Organization: Microsoft Corporation
With full address.
From our field – Forex Forums:
Registrant Organization: TRADE2WIN LTD
With full address.G.
The matter should require further investigation. Even another friend of mine, returned from a vacation, found his thread in the recycle bin. He has done nothing wrong of course, except posting for some time his (profitable) trades in one thread of one of the supposed “big scammers” (of course he is a great guy and an honest person, but this it should be obvious, since the last ForexFuckery developments).
IMHO, the thing is this: brokers have a primary importance in FF business of course (in the end, they are the ones that pay the bills and more, by advertising on FF).
So, if you would a broker that can influence FF managment (or maybe you are a broker that is even PART itself of the FF managment), and you would see:1- a thread that “in some way” ,some people start to question; the owner of the thread mainly, i mean…no matter if it just “the stupid crowd shouting” without a real reason/evidence, just the fact some idiots start to send “possible scam reports” to managment can be enough.
2- a thread that makes money for people (many brokers just punt against the traders…we all know this).What would you do? Simply whispering a words or two to the ears of FF managment (in the hyphotesis you are not already part of them of course), and pufff….magic! The problem of eventual bad publicity for a “supposed” covering of scammers by FF is solved, the brokers are happy, and the shouting crowd (as per the infamous “hall of shame” thread for example), is happy and says “good job, well done mods..this is great forum/managment”…they had their witches burned and their poor idiotic minds can’t even go further in thinking about a more complex (and scary) reality.
As a clever mind said here already….it’s politics and economics in the end. FF chose this “dark side” and i hope all the traders community will soon start to understand this.If I’m a big brokerage owner, and look FF as a good business, rather than create my own trader forum, I will try to bought FF share if I could. and try anything possible to became major share holder and take control of FF management..lol.
As FF management already ‘in my hand’, I will get rid anything that I think could become ‘threat’ to my main business in the future.
it’s so easy for admins, to create several ‘fake’ usernames and edit their registration date, add thousands posting ‘counter'(who bother to count other posts) add vouch (red flag), etc. and later use this ‘fake senior members’ to report to them self..
as many as they want, and use as a proof if someone asking.. lol.Did I afraid of losing credibility ? nah, as long as they don’t know, and peoples for sure is easy to forget and forgive.. and there’s thousands traders wannabe everyday that will register to my FF, ready to become ‘next slaughtered pigs’…
MTHIntuition, Experiences and Common sense..
http://www.binaryoptionsedge.com/actually after the latest developments over at forex fuckery…(great name btw cariddi74 :) ) , i think its quite a brilliant idea to look for those deleted threads.
So again a lot of work for a weekend. reading deleted posts and continue with my transient/recurrent journey. *sigh* .. but its a lot of fun
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is a reality." (John Lennon)
If I’m a big brokerage owner, and look FF as a good business, rather than create my own trader forum, I will try to bought FF share if I could. and try anything possible to became major share holder and take control of FF management..lol.
As FF management already ‘in my hand’, I will get rid anything that I think could become ‘threat’ to my main business in the future.
it’s so easy for admins, to create several ‘fake’ usernames and edit their registration date, add thousands posting ‘counter'(who bother to count other posts) add vouch (red flag), etc. and later use this ‘fake senior members’ to report to them self..
as many as they want, and use as a proof if someone asking.. lol.Did I afraid of losing credibility ? nah, as long as they don’t know, and peoples for sure is easy to forget and forgive.. and there’s thousands traders wannabe everyday that will register to my FF, ready to become ‘next slaughtered pigs’…
MTHVery good points, bro.
In fact… the importance of brokers for the FF business (and the economical power) this big guys have, lead more and more into the “dark side” direction cited before.
The problem is always the same…there is an evident interests conflict.. can you trust a “controller” that is itself also the controlled one? The masking tecnique you mentioned will always work, until the shouting crowd won’t start to open eyes, unfortunately
Well, anyway, me still waiting for reply about my revoked membership without reason (no selling anything, no warning, no suspension ever, nada… of course many rumors on me in the infamous thread mentioned before cause i were defending honest and a caring friends…but apart this, NOTHING CONCRETE AND REAL).
If they won’t bother neither to reply, be sure they will have trouble from me.
Maybe someone will whisper something in the ears of SEC and FBI, after or before.
If i am not wrong, in the past FF was shut down for a while for FBI investigation or so (hoping the U.S. big brother is not involved itself in this crap, of course!)Any others have neither replied with motivation of revoking here?
Hi Saver0,
How about those extracted threads? Extracted threads by threadstarter??? e.g. ForexHard for CZ (consolidation zones), CrucialPoint? His thread was moved to the recycled bin too suddenly. Extracted Threads also full of gems? Pls advise. Thx.
Best Regards,
LearnAlwaysYea they could be. I became very suspicious of this extracted thread behavior as well. But I think going through the recycled or deleted threads might be like finding diamonds in a pile of crap where the amount of diamonds is far greater than anywhere else. Just got to be willing to dig through the crap to find the good stuff.
I don’t know Savero if your thought are completely right, I mean what’s the advantage for FF in trashing big thread with a lot of users actively participating ?
You have a valid point but let me tell you a bit of my discoveries about this forex game. Do you know how the liquidity providers work? How some of the biggest hedge funds make their money these days? They have a pretty simple tactique. Big brokers like FXCM and Oanda(main sponsors of ForexFactory) are market makers. They are liquidity providers. The term liquidity provider many do not understand. What that means is that they are the ones who are taking the opposite trade against you. When you go long, they have the option of either taking the short side of the trade or pass it onto someone else in the interbanks network. So for places like Oanda and FXCM, it actually pays to have a bunch of suckers that will lose money. They not only earn the commissions, but they also win from the other’s losses. That money you lose goes directly into their bank accounts. And just like with gambling, we have a bunch of addicts that trade Forex. After losing, they keep coming back.
Here is the way this game works, what we have are 95% of the traders that actually will lose their money at some point. So this is pretty much a rigged system where they know that they will win eventually. So certainly they do not want people to make money and to learn the proper technique of approaching the forex game with mathematics and probability. Because this is their edge. They use math and probability and the 95% of the trader’s don’t. Also, the only reason FX-Jay is still active is because he never made a thread to share his techniques. Remember, the only posts he made were to show how difficult TZs are and how they would FAIL. He went around boasting his success. I mean can’t blame the guy, he mentioned in couple of posts thats exactly what he was doing, pleasing his ego. He didn’t show a single successful trade setup with instructions. This is not a threat to these brokers. They are fine with having the 5% that are successful as long as they don’t share with others how its done. And let me tell you why successful traders keep it to themselves a little later.
Here is a diamond in the rough for you
, find out how you can see the 95% of the traders and trade against them. I’m pretty sure that’s how FX-Jay is trading TZs as well. When I talked to him via Skype he said he had great success with it as well but said he doesn’t use that for TZs however. Don’t know if he was being honest. I wouldn’t really trust him though. I have had the most success trading against the 95%. At ForexFactory I hinted about this as well several occasions and personally told a few people who started to see the market differently then on.Also let me tell you something so that you also understand the mentality of the successful traders and these brokers. In a way its justified if you think about it. Forex is a dirty game. It’s a zero sum market, that means, someone’s gain is another’s loss. So if you want to make 100% gain a month, you need the 95% that will lose money. And you will pretty much be trading against everyone. You want everybody else to lose and for you to be right. Am I correct? Forex is not a charity. It’s pretty shitty if you think about it
It’s not suitable for everybody. Because you have to have that mentality. I try not to think so much about it because I know everyone trading is a responsible adult he made their decisions. But anyways, thats a different topic.Focus, Patience, Determination & Order in chaos
When some one posts successful trading result with hundred or even thousand percent growth in short time but in demo account, that will be ‘big promotion’ for Market Maker, that forex trading is so easy, they will keep those guys, even if they go commercial, they love this kind of guys because they will attract newbie.
But I believe we also know so many problems from traders who gain hundred or thousand percent of their real trading in short time, found difficulty to withdraw and get ‘whatever reasoning we can create’ from their brokers to halt that profit and they still lucky if this brokers return their initial deposit.We also know some brokerages rules about minimum time to close our positions, minimum stop loss range, widening spread, etc. If they don’t intend to take your money, what the logic reasons for that ‘silly’ rules.
Intuition, Experiences and Common sense..
http://www.binaryoptionsedge.com/When some one posts successful trading result with hundred or even thousand percent growth in short time but in demo account, that will be ‘big promotion’ for Market Maker, that forex trading is so easy, they will keep those guys, even if they go commercial, they love this kind of guys because they will attract newbie.
But I believe we also know so many problems from traders who gain hundred or thousand percent of their real trading in short time, found difficulty to withdraw and get ‘whatever reasoning we can create’ from their brokers to halt that profit and they still lucky if this brokers return their initial deposit.We also know some brokerages rules about minimum time to close our positions, minimum stop loss range, widening spread, etc. If they don’t intend to take your money, what the logic reasons for that ‘silly’ rules.
Yes, it sure is pretty sad what these brokers do. I would assume Oanda and such big boys are pretty clean though.. right?
Focus, Patience, Determination & Order in chaos
When some one posts successful trading result with hundred or even thousand percent growth in short time but in demo account, that will be ‘big promotion’ for Market Maker, that forex trading is so easy, they will keep those guys, even if they go commercial, they love this kind of guys because they will attract newbie.
But I believe we also know so many problems from traders who gain hundred or thousand percent of their real trading in short time, found difficulty to withdraw and get ‘whatever reasoning we can create’ from their brokers to halt that profit and they still lucky if this brokers return their initial deposit.We also know some brokerages rules about minimum time to close our positions, minimum stop loss range, widening spread, etc. If they don’t intend to take your money, what the logic reasons for that ‘silly’ rules.
Hi Kiads and all here
If the picture is so worse why we trade ? and why we make strategy and building charts and do our best to improve trading ? …
I think there is a lot of bad brokerage as i sound from many trader but for me I loss hundreds of accounts and win some accounts and withdraw ..
I knew the net result I loss a lot of hundred thousand in this market but i’m still alive and still trade , may be later I loss more but I hope I gain or return back my money and more …
we do the thing and the opposite if we don’t trust in this career we need to stop sharing with other our view as we also help them in staying in the market !!
but from my view we need to warn other about bad brokerage if any one get problem with any brokerage we must announce that everywhere , and improving their skill in trading
Thanks to all and sorry for my language
Best regards to allSigh…I always have a dream that if only we can form one formidable indicator and used by our trusted group members to whacked the market 24hours of 5 days with almost 90% green pips, the indicator will be used by all over the group members of different countries so that all have enough sleep, haha.
But a dream is just a dream…..as we are on the other side, the retail traders
Hi guys, found something interesting…. follw this link (oct. 2012 ..but it seems FF has not lost the bad habit..)
Well…another great trader and sharing person (Ridu07), just MUTED on FF (by the way he was starting a thread to share signals for free on FF) with an excuse (additional username).
Folks, this sh*t HAS TO STOP!!! Read my previous post…all together we can release the FBI guys on these criminals!
Yea, it sure is sad what they are doing but I don’t think we have any case against them with FBI. We don’t have any proof of any criminal behavior. I’m pretty sure that we agreed to have our accounts terminated at their will for any reason or no reason at all. It is what it is you know. All we can do is try to make it aware what FF is doing and that most threads that exist at FF for only one reason, they are pretty useless. They are just acting like a carrot for the donkeys to follow.. haha We were donkeys too at one point so can’t blame others.
Focus, Patience, Determination & Order in chaos
Yea, it sure is sad what they are doing but I don’t think we have any case against them with FBI. We don’t have any proof of any criminal behavior. I’m pretty sure that we agreed to have our accounts terminated at their will for any reason or no reason at all. It is what it is you know. All we can do is try to make it aware what FF is doing and that most threads that exist at FF for only one reason, they are pretty useless. They are just acting like a carrot for the donkeys to follow.. haha We were donkeys too at one point so can’t blame others.
Good point…but at least if it exists some kind of conduct code in favour of the consumer (in Italy some similar exists and in U.S too i believe!) they are acting in no bona fide, like dictators..these alone can give them problems..me for example never replied to my requests of motivation for revoking and never had any problem/warning/suspension before this crap. It like saying i try to enter in a public palace (where operate some commercial guys..like FF) and they put a bodyguard before the door that don’t let me enter, without any motivation. They cannot do it, sorry.
Just last new: in the infamous “hall of shame thread” now they are making friendship with a commercial member that agree with all the naysayers,it seems. I have nothing against this guy, but he has a TE in FF and just for curiosity i took a look…guess what? This month stats + 2.2%..this year stats +1.7% . The problem is not : commercial member / non commercial member, scammer /non scammer, spammer /non spammer etc… until the people get that kind of low results and no one start to build problems that can make FF bad publicity/problems with their sponsors (brokers) , all is ok (a.k.a. very good free systems, selling good products that makes brokers life more difficult in scamming us, sharing free successfull signals, etc…) .
Compliments ForexFuckery..your pact with the devil is very good, no question about this
For “Membership Revoked” & “Recycle Bin” Friends, FYI:
Oooops…
G.
BTW:
I don’t think that our “new ideas” or development was the cause of the “revoked” or “Recycle bin”.
I’m more interested in the REAL owner/s of FF.
I’ll share my theory later om, after some more digging – but I have to say it concerns this group of good people and bright minds that gathered here.
G.
Another interesting thread just got trashed and OP tagged with “additional username”.
Because OP is too successful?
http://www.ff.com/showthread.php?t=516530
Silenced before he was able to explain his method with videos and charts…
Recurrence as biggest defense and weakness of the market at the same time
Another interesting thread just got trashed and OP tagged with “additional username”.
Yea, that’s very interesting. If anybody with access to FF could let the guy know somehow that this forum and thread exists and welcome him, that would be great. Maybe a shout on his wall or post on his thread?
Thanks
Focus, Patience, Determination & Order in chaos
I left a shout on his profile, lets see if he comes over for a chat. Username: digagerev
What's it all about? It's all about money.
I left a post on the thread that just got deleted wondering what happened. I got a reply from Magix. Magix is actually someone who seems pretty straight up. His comment was:
{quote} digagrev=riseandshine Same guy. Punted. Read the posts. Secret indicator…trading videos… Take a good hard sniff, you too will smell a fresh batch of commercial scammer brewing.——
This leads on to the thought, how are we going to stop a “scam artist” or the ‘wrong crowd’ from joining this site?? This site is only in its infancy so it would be good to address this now before it potentially grows too big.
Saver0, do you have the ability to detect multiple usernames (IP addresses)?? Does anyone else have any practical suggestions to create authenticity around here?
What's it all about? It's all about money.
I left a post on the thread that just got deleted wondering what happened. I got a reply from Magix. Magix is actually someone who seems pretty straight up. His comment was:
{quote} digagrev=riseandshine Same guy. Punted. Read the posts. Secret indicator…trading videos… Take a good hard sniff, you too will smell a fresh batch of commercial scammer brewing.—— This leads on to the thought, how are we going to stop a “scam artist” or the ‘wrong crowd’ from joining this site?? This site is only in its infancy so it would be good to address this now before it potentially grows too big. Saver0, do you have the ability to detect multiple usernames (IP addresses)?? Does anyone else have any practical suggestions to create authenticity around here?
To Stop Scammers, Simply ‘warn’ everyone here don’t ever send your hard earned money to others ‘whatever the reasons’.. especially if ‘they’ ask you by private messages 0r e-mail.
Intuition, Experiences and Common sense..
http://www.binaryoptionsedge.com/I left a post on the thread that just got deleted wondering what happened. I got a reply from Magix. Magix is actually someone who seems pretty straight up. His comment was:
{quote} digagrev=riseandshine Same guy. Punted. Read the posts. Secret indicator…trading videos… Take a good hard sniff, you too will smell a fresh batch of commercial scammer brewing.—— This leads on to the thought, how are we going to stop a “scam artist” or the ‘wrong crowd’ from joining this site?? This site is only in its infancy so it would be good to address this now before it potentially grows too big. Saver0, do you have the ability to detect multiple usernames (IP addresses)?? Does anyone else have any practical suggestions to create authenticity around here?
To Stop Scammers, Simply ‘warn’ everyone here don’t ever send your hard earned money to others ‘whatever the reasons’.. especially if ‘they’ ask you by private messages 0r e-mail.
Couldn’t have said it better my friend!
BTW: I don’t think that our “new ideas” or development was the cause of the “revoked” or “Recycle bin”. I’m more interested in the REAL owner/s of FF. I’ll share my theory later om, after some more digging – but I have to say it concerns this group of good people and bright minds that gathered here. G.
Very interested to see what your theory is on why we were all exiled from the factory. Will be waiting in anticipation!
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as many as they want, and use as a proof if someone asking.. lol.
as many as they want, and use as a proof if someone asking.. lol.
, find out how you can see the 95% of the traders and trade against them. I’m pretty sure that’s how FX-Jay is trading TZs as well. When I talked to him via Skype he said he had great success with it as well but said he doesn’t use that for TZs however. Don’t know if he was being honest. I wouldn’t really trust him though. I have had the most success trading against the 95%. At ForexFactory I hinted about this as well several occasions and personally told a few people who started to see the market differently then on.
It’s not suitable for everybody. Because you have to have that mentality. I try not to think so much about it because I know everyone trading is a responsible adult he made their decisions. But anyways, thats a different topic.
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